These are good quality. Expensive, but they will work good for my application.
- They do have "some" countersink on the holes
- They do have paint on the unit, so it will degrade slower
- They fit well, but I kind of wish they fit a but tighter to the lugs
I need these because I bought some 31" for the Jeep (2.5" EMU lift, with JKS Quicker disconnects), and because the new BFG AT KO2 tires were a bit wider, they grabbed the anti-sway bar / JKS combo, and ripped it downwards, thus trashing the bushings on the JKS, and creating a problem where my anti-sway bar was at a bad angle.
The solution, space out the wheels a short distance. I started with washers (bought from home depot), which were 1/8" inch thick, and used 20 of them on the front wheel to test out 2 things really:
a) Would the tires collide with the anti-sway bar / JKS any longer?
b) Would there be enough threads left on the stock lugs (attached to hub) on the wheels to allow the lug nuts to go on enough revolutions to secure the wheel to the hub any longer.
The answer to both, was Yes. It spaced out the BFG AT KO2's enough, where even with a large amount of articulation (I tested this), that it would no longer grab the bars and damage them.
Conclusion 1: The lugs on the stock rear, Jeep Rubicon Model 44 Dana axle from factory on FRONT, are not the same legnth as the REAR. Both have disc brakes on them. The Rear Lug bolts are SHORTER. However, it is important to know the following, if you are not going to go out and buy new lug bolts for your hubs on Front and Rear:
After installing the new 1/4" Titan wheel spacers on both the front and rear:
1) The Front wheel lug nuts will go a full 8.5 revolutions, on to the lugs (hub).
2) The Rear wheel lug nuts will go on a full 5.5 revolutions, on to the lugs.
So, the fronts are fine. The rears, are iffy. I checked again after a week and all lugs are secure and tight. I put a calendar reminder again to check them in 1 month and so forth. Having a wheel fall off is no joke. The vehicle kind of needs the wheels to be on.
NOTE: Each of the 4 hubs (from factory), has two (2) threaded, locking metal washers attached to each hub, which will hold the Rotor to the Hub. Know this!
These little locking washers will add additional space to the end of the Rotor, and prevent you from completely attaching these Titan Wheel spacers to the surface of the rotor. In other words, I had to remove these 2 little guys from all 4 wheels.
The purpose is obvious, why the factory did this. However, I wanted to remove these so that I could get the maximum amount of Lug Nut threads to engage with each of the lug nuts on the Hub. Know this. It is your call.
5.5 revolutions on the Rear hubs has me a bit worried.
My advice is to never go more than 1/4" spacers on a stock setup (Jeep Wrangler). If you do, then take the Jeep to the shop, have them remove all of the factory Lug bolts from the Hubs, and replace them with longer ones.
That said, I like these spacers on the Jeep. And am keeping them on, unless I see evidence that the lug nuts are loosening, or the wheels are working themselves away from the Hub/Rotors .
NOTE: If you have a Jeep, and are worried (still ) about your tires colliding with other components (read: frame, sway bars, wheel wells, etc), then know that you have some BUMP STOPS, which are located on the inside of the Steering Knuckle, which have adjustable BOLTS on them, that can be shimmed outwards using WASHERS, so that when a full stop to stop turn to the left or right is performed, that it will stop the tire before it collides with those components. Know however that the trade off, is that you will lower your turning radius. I didn't want to lower my turning radius on the Jeep, so I went with these Titan Wheel spacers to solve my problem.
That is all.
